Re: Question three (Thurs)Yes I think students can learn without a teacher. Students are capable of learning by themselves and they can learn a lot from each other. But first they need to know how to learn. Sometimes learning is easy. My 9 year old nephew can learn with his friends in a network about Pokemon. Nobody helps him because there is no parent that knows Pokemon as well as he does. It can lead up to 2 different ways. Do we tell the students what to learn or do they. It depends on what you study. Do you want to learn about how to remove an appendix? Or do you want to build a new solar car? |
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Re: Question three (Thurs)Clearly this already has in the post-doctoral context! Are we not all learning and exchanging information without a recognised teacher. You could question how important or widely used digital networks are in this context, but the example of physical networking is there. The question should perhaps be more tightly focused on to what requirements there are on a learner to benefit from such a network without a teacher. |
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Re: Question three (Thurs) This is a tough question because I agree with both Desiree and Smogit. We can learn without a teacher. However, are we able to learn difficult, complex content without guidance? Given a topic of great interest and a basic sense of digital literacy, a student can venture off and learn without a traditional teacher. Yet even in this case, there are connections or nodes in the network that serve as teachers. Just for fun (and a far-out example), I wonder if an aspiring brain surgeon could learn all he or she needs to know via the network without a traditional teacher or mentor. Of course, certification would be a problem, but would that person learn all the necessary content? Sometimes we don't know what we don't know. In the case of a brain surgeon, this could be deadly.
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Re: Question three (Thurs) Any teacher who can be completely replaced by a learning network should be!
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Re: Question three (Thurs) I wouldn't say it can, would or should replace the teacher. I would rather say it can and should complement the teacher who is capable and willing to engage himself/herself as well as his/her students in networked learning.
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Re: Question three (Thurs)
Great point, Bron. If we cannot bring value of any sort, then we are not needed (in the classroom situation, at least). Jeffrey |
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George, my short and not-terribly-reflective reply is no. When I think of learning networks, I think of those communities that are a bit more on the informal side, which means there is a lack of a leader (or manager, facilitator, sherpa, or what-have-you) to help move the group toward an objective. I have yet to be in a learning network where all of the individual objectives are the same, and while I know that a teacher in a classroom environment does not mean there are completely shared objectives, that force is still able to help move the group along to some shared end. I wonder if learning networks, without such a leader, would either flounder or would appoint / allow one to ultimately come forward to take the role of teacher, even if not in name. Phew, more thinking to do here. Great question for us to focus upon. Jeffrey |
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Re: Question three (Thurs) I think that while being "teachers of each other" is essential to NL, there needs to be an overall steering mechanism independent of the curriculum. I mean, even with a course that is repeated again and again the students will always differ. This means that the learning situation will be hard to formalize in a way, that enables us to let it run itself as we can never fully take into account the differences between the learners. We can only do without a reflecting teacher if all the constants of the communication situation (medium, subject, learners, context and so on) is stable. This will never happen, I think. Therefore I think we need to kill the dream of learners operating completely autonomous. We need to harness the power of collaborative learning but to do this we need insightful teachers. I believe that the role of the teacher in NL is exactly this: To steer the ever changing student material towards learning. Yes, there is a lot of untapped potential in collaborative learning, but there will always be a need for the expert that can guide the students. Even if it's ever so little once in a while like a subtle push in the right direction.
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Do they? Learning is the essence of being human. We learn constantly. Maybe I'm just playing with words, but I think the real difficulty is in learning how to learn with a goal or intended target in mind (i.e. staying focused)...and then being able to incorporate (or ignore) feedback that we receive from others, our cognition, our senses. |
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